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List:       linux-rt-users
Subject:    Re: kernel_fpu_begin and spinlocks
From:       Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <sebastian.siewior () linutronix ! de>
Date:       2018-06-15 16:09:19
Message-ID: 20180615160919.45pyszi2dbeboff5 () linutronix ! de
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On 2018-06-15 15:00:51 [+0200], Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
> Hello,
Hi,

> On normal kernels, that's certainly okay. 

once the latencies get "big" it is also affects PREEMPT.

> But on rt kernels, spinlocks
> call schedule(), and kernel_fpu_begin() explicitly disables
> preemption, so everything explodes.
> 
> I'm wondering if -rt has any ideas about not having a strict
> preemption requirement for kernel_fpu_begin/end, so that the ordinary
> pattern can work on -rt kernels without exploding.

We can't do fast crypto on RT. We unbreak those sections:
 https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/rt/linux-rt-devel.git/tree/patches/x86-crypto-reduce-preempt-disabled-regions.patch?h=linux-4.16.y-rt-patches
  https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/rt/linux-rt-devel.git/tree/patches/crypto-limit-more-FPU-enabled-sections.patch?h=linux-4.16.y-rt-patches
  https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/rt/linux-rt-devel.git/tree/patches/crypto-Reduce-preempt-disabled-regions-more-algos.patch?h=linux-4.16.y-rt-patches


There are a few problems. One problem is that algorithm involving
SSE/AVX doing page_size+ operations in "one go" would affect the latency
due to the "long" preempt-disable regions.
The other thing are nested locks like you mentioned. "Simple" locks like
those protecting a list_head could be turned into raw-locks. But then
some of those implementation involve advancing the scatter-gather list
within a kernel_fpu_begin()/preempt_disable() region. Depending on the
size of list this is also bad latency wise for PREEMPT (and not only for
RT) the problem is that on RT we can't do kmalloc()/kmap() within
kernel_fpu_begin().

At some point I tried something like:

	if (tif_need_resched_now()) {
		kernel_fpu_end();
		kernel_fpu_begin();
	}

which died once the scatter-gather got into the game.

> Regards,
> Jason

Sebastian
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